Jacksons vs AEG - Day ۶۳ - August ۶ ۲۰۱۳ - Summary Katherine and Trent Jackson is in court. Judge Yvette Palazuelos and attorneys spent more than ۱ hour and ۱۵ mins this morning discussing boundaries for next witness, Kathy Jorrie. Jorrie is a lawyer who works for AEG and put together Murray's contract. Both sides argued extensively regarding attorney-client privilege. (ABC۷) There were lots of arguments today today about testimony of Kathy Jorrie. Jorrie is an independent attorney who does a lot of work for AEG Live. She's handled almost ۳۰۰ matters for the company since its creation. The arguments about what Jorrie would be able to testify about today lasted for more than an hour. Jorrie drafted Conrad Murray's agreement to work on the "This Is It" tour. There were concerns about atty-client privilege, hearsay issues. Katherine Jackson's attorneys objected to Jorrie's testimony, saying she was being offered as an expert witness. Attorneys Brian Panish, Kevin Boyle and William Bloss argued that if Jorrie testified, AEG was waiving attorney-client privilege. The judge didn't totally agree with the plaintiff's attorneys, but she did want to review a heavily redacted email between Jorrie and AEG Live's general counsel Shawn Trell. She also told AEG attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina to tread carefully. Panish argued a lot of Jorrie's testimony about her discussions with Conrad Murray, Trell and AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips were hearsay. The judge wanted to avoid Jorrie from providing a legal opinion about whether AEG Live hired Murray, which is for the jury to decide. Stebbins Bina argued that Jorrie should be allowed to testify about certain conversations because the Jacksons' lawyers are trying to argue to the jury that AEG ignored warning signs about Conrad Murray. She checked his medical licenses in ۴ states (CA, NV, TX, HI). Stebbins Bina said if Murray had failed the "smell test" in talks with Jorrie, it would be reasonable if she stopped negotiating with him. The judge's ruling was that Jorrie could testify about conversations with Murray that related to changes in his contract's terms. The judge said it didn't open up every communication between Jorrie and Murray (or even Phillips and Trell) to scrutiny by the plaintiffs. The judge did review the heavily redacted email after during the lunch break and determined its contents couldn't be shown to plaintiffs. Judge Yvette Palazuelos however said that if something in Jorrie's testimony changed her mind, plaintiffs could review unredacted version. Nothing so far persuaded Palazuelos to release the email to plaintiffs. She said she would keep a sealed copy in the court file. (AP) Kathleen Ann Jorrie Testimony AEG direct Attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina did direct examination. Jorrie said she's in the business for ۲۰ years. She did undergraduate at UCLA and got JD degree at Hastings College of Law. Jorrie is a partner at a law firm, works in Los Angeles. Her firm is an international company with close to ۸۰ attorneys in the LA office. Jorrie said she splits her work between being a trial litigator and transactional work, one who deals with contracts. The focus of her clients has been the entertainment business. Her clients involve motion pictures studios, television content producers. She also works with movie distributors, satellite providers, live entertainment promoters, etc. (ABC۷) Jorrie said she works with AEG Live and AEG in their live entertainment business. She deals with Shawn Trell (who testified earlier on.) The attorney said she worked on more than ۷۵ tour agreements with prominent artists, Rolling Stones, Bon Jovi, Britney Spears, Kanye West. Over the years, Jorrie said Trell asked her to help negotiate agreements with vendors. She said she normally works on big agreements.(ABC۷) Jorrie worked on third party agreements for "This Is It" tour. She worked on deal with Bravado for merchandising, negotiated stage. Jorrie also did the contract for Dr. Conrad Murray that Michael Jackson requested. "I drafted the version that was sent to Mr. Wooley, who provided my draft agreement to Dr. Murray," Jorrie explained. Jorrie said, to her best recollection, she received a call from Timm Wooley to help prepare an agreement for Dr. Murra in late May of ۲۰۰۹. The attorney never talked to Murray before drawing the first draft. Initial draft was based on basic terms Wooley provided her, Jorrie said. Jorrie: He told me that MJ had agreed to pay $۱۵۰,۰۰۰ per month for Dr. Murray, that Dr. Murray was MJ's personal physician.In addition to providing medical care, Dr. Murray would be on call for emergencies, Jorrie explained. Jorrie said nurse would be provided as selected by Dr. Murray and paid for by AEG Live. The doctor would have the air fare to/from London. Also, the doctor and family would be provided housing in London.Wooley said Dr. Murray wanted personal insurance in case he got sick. The payment to commence as of May ۱, ۲۰۰۹. Jorrie said he did not say what ended point would be. She put all the terms in the first draft agreement, but most details were missing.Jorrie said she included other important terms: - End date to be end of O۲ arena in Sept. ۲۰۰۹ - Termination provision - Indemnity. Jorrie said she sent the draft to Wooley and if he was happy with it to forward it to Dr. Murray.(ABC۷) Jorrie said there were ۲ more drafts after the first. She said she looked at other AEG agreement contracts she had prepared AEG as template. Jorrie explained she worked off the base contract and included a bunch of other provisions to the agreement. Jorrie said the "Scope of Services" was a mix between what Wooley requested and her additions. At Wooley's request, she included that Dr. Murray was MJ's personal physician and had been for some time. Jorrie added "services to be provided by Dr. Murray administer those services professionally and greatest degree of care expected." The attorney said Wooley told her that Michael Jackson had asked Dr. Murray to go on tour with him and that MJ would pay for it. Jorrie said she included in the contract "Artist Consent," saying the contract was not enforceable unless and until MJ signed the agreement. She said she added a line for MJ's signature at the end of the document. Jorrie said this provision was included in the ۱st draft. She said Murray had no comment regarding the first ۲ provisions of the contract. Jorrie said Recital A, Paragraph ۹ and wording above MJ's signature explained Dr. Murray was hired on behalf of Michael Jackson. (ABC۷) Jorrie explained the Termination provision that allowed AEG to terminate the contract with Dr. Murray. Termination: ۱- in event there was a default of the agreement by the doctor ۲- in the event series of concerts postponed or canceled. Termination: ۳- if artist decided he no longer wanted or needed Murray ۴- failed to maintain all licenses and approval to practice medicine. Termination: ۵- failed to submit written evidence that he was legally authorized to practice medicine in US.Termination: ۶- no later than July ۳rd, evidence he was allowed to practice medicine in the UK. (ABC۷) Jorrie said she believes she sent the email to Wooley/Dr. Murray on June ۱۵. She testified she never received any documents from Dr. Murray. Jorrie said Murray called her on ۶/۱۸/۰۹: ۱- Murray and MJ relationship ۲- Some of changes he wanted made ۳- Couple of questions Jorrie had. The attorney said the conversation about Dr. Murray and MJ relationship did not result in any change to the contract. Jorrie: The changes he mentioned to me during the call, he wanted his company GCA Holdings to be the contracting party instead of him. Dr. Murray also wanted to change provision where Jorrie referred to nurse. Jorrie explained Dr. Murray said he wanted flexibility to have a "qualified assistant medical person," who could be another physician. Another change requested was to provision ۷.۷ regarding termination, Jorrie said. (ABC۷) Jorrie: He also let me know he was license to practice medicine in ۴ states and gave me the states.Jorrie: Dr. Murray told me he preferred to have GCA Holding as contracting party and he as employee of the company. Jorrie said that it was okay but she wanted Dr. Murray on the contract also. Jorrie: I asked why you needed another physician as opposed to a nurse. He told me in case he was unavailable or tired. Jorrie said Dr. Murray wanted to have the flexibility to have someone on stand by, payable for by AEG Live. Jorrie said ultimately she made the changes. Dr. Murray was the one who would identify who this medical person would be, but never did.The attorney said Dr. Murray told her he was licensed to practice medicine in California, Nevada, Texas and Hawaii. The first payment was to be no later than ۵ days after contracted was fully signed by everybody, including Michael Jackson. (ABC۷) Dr. Murray wanted to modify section ۷.۷, termination either because MJ decided he didn't want him anymore or the concert canceled. As a result, he would not want to be in a position he would have to refund any part of his payment. Payment was due to him on the ۱۵th of the month to cover from ۱st-۳۰th. If he were terminated on the ۲۰th, he wanted to keep full payment. Jorrie: My response: Dr. Murray, $۱۵۰,۰۰۰/month is a lot of money! Jorrie said Dr. Murray told her he had ۴ medical practices making a million dollar a month, and it was not fair to have to return money. Jorrie: Murray said under no circumstances he was leaving his practice if when terminated he couldn't keep the whole ۱۵۰,۰۰۰ received. Jorrie explained that provision ۷.۷ detailed what happened if there was a termination. Dr. Murray asked her to limit that provision. Jorrie: He had asked to be able to retain the full payment for the month he received. "He thought it would be fair and appropriate due to him leaving his established medical practice," Jorrie explained. (ABC۷) Jorrie said she asked Murray about the CPR machine. The doctor provided a list of equipment he needed to Wooley, who in turn sent to Jorrie. Jorrie: I asked Dr. Murray, why do you need a CPR machine? He said he needed one in London, MJ puts on a strenuous performance. Jorrie asked if O۲ arena didn't have one. He said he didn't want to take risks, wanted one at hand. He also told her it's customary. "Giving Michael's age, giving his age, and that he puts on a strenuous performance, he just didn't want to take a chance," Jorrie said. Jorrie recalled there was other equipments on the list, normally for dehydration purposes, like saline and catheter. Contract said "producer to provide medical equipment portable CPR, saline, catheter, needles, gurney and other mutually approved equipment." Jorrie: Our conversation concerned London, he said he needed one (CPR machine) in London. (ABC۷) The attorney told jurors that she spoke to Murray about an agreement she drafted that would have paid him $۱۵۰,۰۰۰ a month to accompany Jackson to London for ۵۰ concerts. She said she questioned the doctor about a request in the contract for CPR machines, but she was satisfied with his response that the singer's shows were strenuous and he needed lifesaving equipment nearby if there was an emergency. (AP) Jorrie said she took the information she got from Dr. Murray, went online and checked it out. The attorney said she went to the Nevada Secretary of State to check if GCA Holdings, LLC was indeed a valid company. Jorrie said she checked the medical boards Dr. Murray told her he was licenses and googled the doctor. Jorrie testified GCA was a proper company and Dr. Murray was the manager of it. She added the address on the contract and Dr. Murray's title. Jorrie said it was very easy to check the medical licenses. She went on the Medical Board websites and checked his licenses in all. "There was no disciplinary action against Dr. Murray," Jorrie said. She checked in California, Nevada, Texas and Hawaii. Jorrie testified she did the medical license check on June ۱۸, ۲۰۰۹. (ABC۷) Jorrie testified Tuesday that she reviewed records that showed Murray's Nevada clinic had a valid license, the physician was licensed to practice medicine in four states and she searched his name on Google. (AP) She said she sent the draft to Dr. Murray, but the email bounced back. She then sent email to Wooley asking him to forward the contract to Murray. Jorrie said she also attached a comparison doc with the redlines marking the changes she made for easier understanding.(ABC۷) Jorrie explained it's her practice to save doc as "final pdf version." She said it is a personal indicator that the final version was sent. The attorney told the jury once the contract is fully executed, she saves it "fully executed."(ABC۷) Jorrie said she was asked by the general counsel to see if she could ask Dr. Murray for the medical history for insurance purpose. "Dr. Murray said he had told me he had been MJ's physician for a period of time," Jorrie expressed. Bina: Did you send this email because you believe Dr. Murray was MJ's physician? Jorrie: Yes. Jorrie asked that if Dr. Murray was not the right doctor to provide records, if he could please direct her to the appropriate physician. The attorney said Dr. Murray told her he would help. (ABC۷) Jorrie explained she had ۳ drafts of Dr. Murray's agreement. GCA would actually provide the services of Dr. Murray, Jorrie said. The $۱۵۰k would be paid not to Dr. Murray, but to GCA Holdings. Jorrie changed Provision ۳.۴ at the request of Dr. Murray, from nurse to qualified medical person (assistant) Change in ۷.۷: If there's termination, GCA shall have no obligation to refund any portion of any installation due and payable before. Jorrie said Dr. Murray called her again on June ۲۳, ۲۰۰۹ asking for some more changes. (ABC۷) Jorrie spoke with Randy Phillips on June ۱۹, ۲۰۰۹ on an unrelated matter and Dr. Murray's subject came up. It was phone conversation, she relayed Dr. Murray was licensed to practice in ۴ states. "I checked out, or confirmed the info," she said. Jorrie testified she told Phillips Murray appeared to be very successful in his practice, may have told him about a million dollar a month. "I definitely told him he's very successful in his practice," Jorrie said. "I confirmed he was licensed to practice in ۴ states." (ABC۷) Kathy Jorrie, an independent attorney who has handled nearly ۳۰۰ matters for AEG Live LLC, said she told the company's CEO that the physician was properly licensed during a conversation six days before Jackson died in June ۲۰۰۹. Jorrie said she also told the executive that former cardiologist Conrad Murray told her his medical clinics were earning more than $۱ million a month. (AP) Jorrie: AEG Live has been a consistent client of mine since ۲۰۰۰. Approximately ۳۰۰ matters have been opened in ۱۲ years.(ABC۷) First change was the effective date, from June to May ۱, ۲۰۰۹, Jorrie said. Jorrie: He said he was promised that when the agreement was signed he would've been paid retroactively to May ۱, ۲۰۰۹. (When Bina asked about payment provision, Panish objected to prevent Jorrie from expressing her opinion about the contract. Judge: I'm going to strike the entire testimony if she keeps interpreting the contract.) Jorrie: He wanted to extend, by about ۵ months, his engagement. Jorrie asked if MJ would be paying him even though the tour would be on break. He said yes. End date changed from Sept, ۲۰۰۹ to March, ۲۰۱۰. ۱- Scope of Services -- it had language saying perform services reasonably requested by "Producer." Jorrie: Murray said we need to change that to Artist, it's the artist who's my patient. I said absolutely right, the artist if your patient. Jorrie said provision ۴.۱ also says "Perform the Services reasonably requested by Producer.".Jorrie: I didn't change it to Artist because Murray didn't draw my attention to that and I didn't remember that language was in there twice. Jorrie said if she had seen it, she would've changed it to Artist, not Producer. (ABC۷) Jorrie also told jurors she mistakenly left language in a contract that Murray signed that called for him to perform services "reasonably requested" by AEG Live. (AP) Bina asked if on June ۲۳ Jorrie discussed with Dr. Murray to get MJ's medical history. She said yes. Jorrie revised the agreement, emailed to Dr. Murray on ۶/۲۳/۰۹: saying 'I have attached a clean pdf version, which is ready for execution.'Jorrie said she sent ۳rd version of the draft to AEG Live. She didn't send it to MJ or his reps, was not in communication with MJ about it. Jorrie explained it was never her understanding that MJ's medical records would have been sent to her but to insurance underwriter. Jorrie: Late in the evening on June ۲۴, I received a fax with a document signed by Dr. Murray. I forwarded a copy to it to Mr. Trell. Jorrie said neither Michael Jackson nor AEG signed the contract. (ABC۷) The attorney said she has negotiated with third party vendors before without showing the drafts to the artist. Jorrie: The reasons is that attorneys for the artist would have the document exactly like they wanted. Judge: How do you know if you don't talk t the artist that the agreement is what the artist's want? "Sometimes we enter in agreements the artists never see," Jorrie told the court. Jorrie said this is the first third-party vendor agreement she was involved with a medical doctor. (ABC۷) Jorrie sent Dr. Murray the last version on June ۲۳rd, Dr. Murray faxed it back on June ۲۴th. Jorrie said she didn't talk to Murray about specific treatment he was giving to MJ. "He didn't tell me anything he was doing to treat MJ." Bina: Did Dr. Murray ever ask you for payment? Jorrie: Never. (ABC۷) Jorrie explained paragraph ۴ of the contract, which detailed the responsibilities of GCA/Dr. Murray. Jorrie testified she discussed with Dr. Murray the requirement for UK medical license either on June ۱۸ or ۲۳. Jorrie said July ۳, ۲۰۰۹ was the date Dr. Murray was planning to go to London with Michael Jackson. Bina showed the last page of Dr. Murray's agreement. Under the signatures, it is dated June ۲۴, ۲۰۰۹. Jorrie said she put that date since she thought the parties would've signed the contract that day. "I do not know if Michael Jackson would've signed the agreement," Jorrie testified. Regarding the reference that AEG hired doctor at request of MJ, Jorrie said she never did this on any other agreement on behalf of AEG. "Because we're talking about Michael Jackson's physician," Jorrie explained. (ABC۷) Recap: June ۱۵th -- first draft written, sent to Dr. Murray June ۱۸th -- negotiation with Dr. Murray began, over the phone. June ۱۹th -- checked medical license, business standing June ۱۹th -- spoke with Phillips about it. June ۲۳rd - Murray called asking additional changes June ۲۳rd - third draft sent to Murray June ۲۴th - Murray signed it and faxed it back (ABC۷) Jorrie emailed Dr. Murray one more time after that related to the insurance for the tour. (ABC۷) She maintained throughout her testimony that Murray was Jackson's personal doctor and the language about him performing services for the promoter shouldn't have been in the agreement. Jackson's approval was required on the contract, but he died before signing it(AP) Jorrie said she first spoke to Murray on the phone on June ۱۸, after he reviewed an initial draft of the contract. He asked that his company's name be added to the contract and that a provision allowing him to hire a nurse as an assistant be changed to a "qualified assistant medical person." "I had asked him, 'Why would you need another physician as opposed to a nurse?'" Jorrie testified. "And he told me that in an event that he was not available or he was tired, he wanted the flexibility" to have a back-up. Murray asked that he be responsible for hiring the additional doctor, but did not provide a name, Jorrie said. The attorney testified that she ultimately agreed to the change.Murray also requested that should his contract be terminated early, he would not be required to refund his $۱۵۰,۰۰۰-per-month payment. Jorrie said Murray told her that his medical practices brought in "a million dollars a month" and because he was leaving those practices for the tour, "it'd be fair and appropriate" that he keep the full payment he had received. Jorrie said she also spoke to Murray about his request for medical equipment. Woolley had provided her a list of items the doctor might ask for, she testified, and she wanted to know why a "CPR machine" was on the list. "He said he needed it in London during the performance, Michael Jackson puts on a strenuous performance and that he did not want to take a chance," she said. "That should anything go wrong, should there be an emergency, etc., he wanted to have that." When she asked if having a machine available at the O۲ Arena would suffice, she said Murray said no. "He said they would" have the machine, she said, "but that he didn't want to take a chance." After speaking to the doctor, Jorrie said she searched online to confirm some of his background. She verified his company was based in Nevada and that he had medical licenses in four states. She also "Googled him," she said. "I Google everybody." Jorrie said she attempted to email the revised contract to Murray, but the email bounced back. She then sent it to Woolley, who forwarded it to the doctor. Murray called June ۲۳ with additional changes that involved when his payments would begin and extending the time of his services from September ۲۰۰۹ to March ۲۰۱۰. Murray told her Jackson had agreed to pay his monthly salary for that extended time frame, she said. Jorrie said she sent Murray another draft based on the changes. The next day, she testified, she received a copy of the agreement via fax that had been signed by Murray. The attorney testified that she never directly communicated with Jackson or sent the singer or his representatives any versions of the contract, though there was a space set aside for the pop star's signature. The empty line on the contract shown to jurors Tuesday was dated June ۲۴, which is when Jorie said she expected the parties involved to sign the final agreement. Jackson died the next day.(LATimes) Jackson cross In cross examination, Panish asked if Jorrie is an independent witness. Jorrie: I don't understand the question, Mr. Panish. Panish: Are you being paid for the work you've done in this case? Jorrie: I'm not being paid as I sit here today. (ABC۷) Panish asked if her company has received millions and millions of dollar from AEG. She said since ۲۰۰۰, yes. Panish inquired if Jorrie is friends with Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware. "I'd like to think all my clients are my friends, Mr. Panish," Jorrie explained. "They are business friends." "I'm aware that Mr. Gongaware was sued one time, but I want to be absolutely certain," Jorrie said.Panish: Professionals keep itemization of the work they do, don't they? Jorrie said she keeps tabs of the work she does. Panish asked if Jorrie hires expert witnesses. She said yes. He inquired if professionals keep itemization. She said yes. Panish: Have you ever paid an expert $۷۰۰,۰۰۰? Jorrie: I have not. (ABC۷) Panish asked if Jorrie brought the contract she used as basis for drafting Dr. Murray's contract.Jorrie said she has it in her office. Panish asked to see it, she said she can provide it, redacting the name of the third party. (ABC۷) Jorrie charges AEG $۵۹۵ per hour. She said she's not billing AEG for the testimony today. Panish: How much have you billed AEG related to the "This Is It" project? Jolie: Work started in October ۲۰۰۸. Jorrie asked if it included litigation. Panish said yes. Jorrie: Of all matters related to This Is It? Panish: Yes. More than ۲۰ million? J: Of course not P: ۱۰ million? J: No P: ۵ million? J: No. Jorrie said she can have her accounting department put together a spreadsheet with all she has billed AEG. (ABC۷) Panish said Paul Gongaware and John Meglen were sued for stealing the name Concerts West.Bina objected, saying the lawsuit was dismissed and Panish was trying to tarnish Gongaware and Meglen's reputation. Judge: Was the case dismissed? Panish: Yes Judge: Then it's not stealing. Please refrain from using that word. Describe it accurately. (ABC۷) Jorrie: For all of those matters, for ۱۲ years, it would be millions of dollars. Panish: How many multi-million dollars has your company been paid? Jorrie: It could be over $۵ million for that period of time (since ۲۰۰۰). (ABC۷) Panish: You knew MJ was going on a ۳-۵ years worldwide tour, correct? Jorrie: That's not correct. Putnam was present when Jorrie spoke with LAPD after Michael Jackson's death. Panish: Did you go meet with LAPD and discussed MJ going to go on a worldwide tour? Jorrie: No, they came to my office, asked questions. Panish: Did you tell LAPD the that MJ was going on a world tour? Jorrie: No. Panish: Did you say European tour was just the beginning and MJ would be making a worldwide tout? Jorrie: Not that I recall. "That's not my statement and I don't recall that," Jorrie testified. Panish: Did you tell LAPD that MJ was going on a worldwide tour after European leg was over? Jorrie: No. Panish: Did Mr. Putnam tell LAPD MJ was going to do a world tour for ۳ to ۵ years? Jorrie: No. Panish: You denied making that statement? Jorrie: Yes. Not like that. Panish asked if Detective Schmidt is called to testified and said Jorrie told him about MJ going on a worldwide tour, if that's a lie. "He would've been mistaken, Mr. Panish," Jorrie said. "Because he misunderstood what I was saying about the tour.". (ABC۷) Jorrie said she did not bill for the time she testified at deposition. (ABC۷) Panish: Did you tell the police department Dr. Murray took in $۱۲ million a year? "I said that he told me that his ۴ medical practices brought in more than a million dollars a year," Jorrie said.Panish: Did you say one million dollar a month? Jorrie: Dr. Murray had ۴ practices, I told one million dollars a year and they added up to ۱۲ million. "I spoke with him about the tour agreement and how it would work," Jorrie testified. (ABC۷)

Jacksons vs AEG - Day ۶۲ - August ۵ ۲۰۱۳ - Summary Katherine and Trent Jackson are in court. Michael LaPerruque Testimony Jackson Cross Deborah Chang, did the cross examination. LaPerruque said ۲۰۰۱-۲۰۰۴ were very difficult years for Michael Jackson. They were also very busy years. MJ was recording "You Rock My World" single and shooting a short film at the Universal Studios when LaPerruque began working for the artist. Change showed clip of "You Rock My World" with Marlon Brando and Chris Tucker and MJ. The single became part of "Invincible" album. LaPerruque was present when the song was recorded. In ۲۰۰۲, LaPerruque said Blanket was born. MJ was very excited about being dad again. LaPerruque went to New York with MJ to be at the Apolo Theater with President Bill Clinton to encourage people to register to vote.Chang showed clip of President Clinton introducing MJ to the crowd. She also showed the ۲۰۰۳ American Bandstand ۵۰th anniversary in Pasadena and MJ's cameo in "Man In Black ۲" in ۲۰۰۲. (ABC۷) Chang started out her cross-examination by showing several clips of Jackson's work during the ۲۰۰۱-۲۰۰۲ time period. These years were the first time that La Perruque worked for Jackson. Chang showed him clip of "You Rock My World" music video. La Perruque was present during the shooting of some of the video, which starred Jackson, Chris Tucker and Marlon Brando. Chang then showed a clip of Jackson performing at a ۲۰۰۲ Democratic National Committee fundraiser. He performed "Dangerous." Jackson was introduced by Bill Clinton. AEG Live defense attorney Marvin Putnam objected to the clip, specifically the Clinton speech. Chang had stopped the clip just as Jackson's performance started. The judge allowed the clip to be played and didn't strike Clinton's intro. Chang then played another performance clip on the ۵۰th Anniversary special for American Bandstand. Dick Clark introduced Jackson. She concluded the clips by showing Jackson's cameo in "Men In Black: II" to show that the entertainer was busy in ۲۰۰۲. (AP) Chang: Did MJ have a good sense of humor, including about himself? LaPerruque: Yes (ABC۷) Chang asked about MJ passing out in Florida and his children called ۹۱۱. LaPerruque said he doesn't know what caused him to go unconscious. LaPerruque said paramedics are more prepared than him, as former sheriff's deputy, to assess a patient. LaPerruque never saw the paramedics report. They did no take the MJ to the hospital. Chang asked if there was a mention of low blood sugar in the report. Defendant's attorney objected based on hearsay and judge sustained it. LaPerruque said it was hot and humid that day in Orlando and he does not know when was the last time MJ ate or drank anything. (ABC۷) Chang then asked about the Florida incident in which Jackson's children found their father unconscious in a hotel suite hallway. Chang asked La Perruque about his experience with paramedics making medical evaluations of people, based on his experience as a deputy. La Perruque said he didn't know what caused Jackson's condition, and that paramedics did not transport him or indicate it was an overdose. He said he never saw the paramedics' report and wasn't in the room where they checked out Jackson. Chang asked La Perruque if the paramedics mentioned Jackson had low blood pressure, but AEG objected and it was sustained. La Perruque reiterated that he never saw prescription bottles or alcohol in Jackson's suite that day. (AP) The head security never saw drugs in MJ's room. "I never saw the doctors actually treating Mr. Jackson," LaPerruque said. He said he only took MJ to doctor's office and would wait outside.(ABC۷) Chang asked about the doctors La Perruque knew traveled and treated Jackson. He told jury he never witnessed their treatments on Jackson. La Perruque was asked whether any of the doctors seemed awestruck with Jackson. He said yes, and cited Dr. Alimorad Farschcian. Farschcian is a Miami doctor who put an implant in Jackson to block the effects of Demerol and other opiates.(AP) Chang: Did you ever raise concerns to Dr. Farshchian you thought he overprescribed medication? LaPerruque: Yes "There seemed to have been a social relationship between Dr. Farshchian and Michael Jackson," LaPerruque said. (ABC۷) Chang: From ۲۰۰۱-۲۰۰۴ went through a lot of pain, stress and anxiety? Objection, vague. Sustained. (ABC۷) LaPerruque was never aware of the kind of treatment necessary to treat MJ's vitiligo and burned scalp. (ABC۷) In ۲۰۰۷ - ۲۰۰۸ LaPerruque worked back with MJ. He had never heard about Dr. Murray.(ABC۷) Chang asked whether La Perruque ever heard of Conrad Murray when he went back to work with Jackson in ۲۰۰۷ and early '۰۸. He said no. (AP) Chang: Would it be fair to say that throughout the years you worked for MJ you never saw him overdose? LaPerruque: Yes (ABC۷) LaPerruque raised his concerns with Dr. Farshchian, Dr. Slavitch in San Francisco and Grace Rwamba. At one point, LaPerruque and Rwamba had a system to try to stop doctors to overprescribe drugs to MJ. (ABC۷) La Perruque said he raised concerns with Farschcian that the doctor was over prescribing medications to Jackson. He said that Farschcian often accompanied Jackson on what seemed to be more social trips, rather than for medical reasons. (AP) Chang: You tried to protect Mr. Jackson, right? LaPerruque: Yes Chang: Have you ever see him with terrible case of chills? LaPerruque: No Chang: Have you ever seen an alarming weight loss? LaPerruque: No Change: Have you ever heard people complain they could see his heart beating through his chest? LaPerruque: No Chang: Have you ever seen MJ lost, paranoid? LaPerruque: No Chang: Did you ever hear MJ saying that God was talking to him? LaPerruque: No Chang asked if LaPerruque saw those symptoms, what would he have done."I'd have been very concerned and if I thought it was life-threatening I'd have taken him to the hospital," LaPerruque said. (ABC۷) The attorney asked whether La Perruque tried to protect Jackson. "Yes," he responded. "I did my best." La Perruque, in response to Chang's questions, said he never saw MJ with "a terrible case of the chills" or have an "alarming weight loss." The bodyguard also said he never heard Jackson say he was talking to God or seem lost and annoyed, symptoms he displayed in ۲۰۰۹. La Perruque said if he saw any of those symptoms and thought they were life-threatening, he would have taken Jackson to the hospital. (AP) Randy Jackson was by himself when he arrived at Neverland by helicopter. He did have a pilot, though, LaPerruque clarified. Chang: Did you ever hear Randy Jackson speak about an intervention? LaPerruque: No. Chang: Did you ever hear the word intervention that day? LaPerruque: No. Chang: Did you ever know there was an intervention? LaPerruque: No. (ABC۷) Chang asked about the incident in which Randy Jackson came to Neverland Ranch via helicopter and was turned away. La Perruque said neither Michael nor Randy Jackson used the term intervention to describe the visit. Randy didn't bring a doctor, he said. (AP) After ۲۰۰۴, LaPerruque didn't see MJ on a day-to-day basis except for ۲۰۰۵ during the criminal trial. He never saw MJ in ۲۰۰۶ and early ۲۰۰۷. MJ was acquitted of all child molestation charges and left the country after the verdict. Rwamba contacted LaPerruque to go back to work for MJ. He said he wouldn't have jeopardize his job at the time if he thought MJ was on drugs. LaPerruque never observed any problems in ۲۰۰۷ with MJ being under the influence of prescription drugs. (ABC۷) The bodyguard said when he returned to work for Jackson in ۲۰۰۷-early '۰۸, the singer seemed to have a clear path of what he wanted to do. La Perruque reiterated that he didn't see any signs Jackson was struggling with prescription medications in '۰۷ or early '۰۸. (AP) Chang: Do you have any idea who was in charge of MJ's finances in ۲۰۰۷? LaPerruque: Raymone Bain (ABC۷) The head security said he learned Bain became MJ's manager in ۲۰۰۶. She was the CEO/president of MJJ Productions. She signed his contract. Chang asked if LaPerruque noticed there was a transition with Bain's position at the time he wasn't paid. He said he didn't know. LaPerruque said he wasn't aware of MJ's worth and/or debt at that point. He received call from Bain said MJ would not be needing security. (ABC۷) LaPerruque said Janet Jackson hired him and other personnel to work at the May ۱۴, ۲۰۰۹ event, which was her parents' anniversary. The event took place at Chakra Indian restaurant in Beverly Hills. That was the last time LaPerruque saw MJ, a month prior to his death. Chang showed picture of MJ on June ۲۰۰۹. Chang: He did not look anything like this, correct? LaPerruque: Correct. Chang: If he had you'd have been alarmed? LaPerruque: Yes (ABC۷) Chang also clarified when La Perruque last saw Jackson. He said last week it was two weeks before the singer's death. In fact, it was in May, during an anniversary party that Janet Jackson threw for her parents at restaurant in Beverly Hills. Chang showed La Perruque the June ۱۹th photo of Michael Jackson in which he looks extremely thin. She asked if he looked like that in May. I couldn't see La Perruque, but he seemed taken aback by the photo. He said that's not how Jackson looked in May ۲۰۰۹. The bodyguard added that if he had seen Jackson as he appeared in the photo, he would have been alarmed. (AP) Chang: Was he a kind and gentle person? LaPerruque: Yes The fact that MJ was one of the most famous artists in the world didn't change his way of being humble, LaPerruque said. Chang asked if LaPerruque knew MJ gave thousands of dollars to United Way. He said yes. LaPerruque told the jury there was a time where MJ asked him to go to Toys R Us to buy as many presents he could. He said MJ wanted to give the toys to the children at the Women Shelter in Hollywood, Florida. He said MJ spent thousands of dollars there, and MJ decided to declined his appearance because he didn't want it to become a media circus. "We went and donated the toys," LaPerruque said. LaPerruque said MJ learned with his mother to give money to the poor. (ABC۷) La Perruque was asked about Jackson's charity and he cited instances when the singer bought toys for a Florida women's shelter. Instead of delivering the toys and causing a scene, La Perruque said Jackson had his bodyguards deliver them. The singer would also stop his car and give money to people on the streets, a practice he learned from his mother, La Perruque said. (AP) Chang: Based on your observations and the things he told you, did he love his mother? LaPerruque: Yes C: Did she love him? LP: Yes LaPerruque described MJ's relationship with his children as excellent. "It was a very loving relationship," he said. LaPerruque: They wanted to be with their father, I think MJ was the happiest when we was with his children. He said MJ wanted them to really want something and appreciate what they had. MJ would restrict his children to one present and one present only when they went to a toy store, LaPerruque testified. MJ's intention was for the kids to really want something and appreciate what they had, LaPerruque explained. LaPerruque: Not only that, he pushed them toward educational type of toys that they could've learned from. "He wanted to be the best father ever," LaPerruque testified. One of the things LaPerruque remembers the most about Michael Jackson is the fact that MJ was always kind and gentle with his children. (ABC۷) The bodyguard described the close and loving relationship Jackson had with his mother and his three children. La Perruque: "I think Michael was at his happiest when he was with his children."He added that Jackson didn't spoil his children. Jackson would only allow his children to buy one toy apiece when they went shopping, La Perruque said. Chang: "Did he want to be remembered as the greatest entertainer in the world or the greatest father?" A: "I would say the greatest father." (AP) The ۲۰۰۱-۲۰۰۴ period was the time MJ was trying to quit addiction to drug use, wanted his family away from Neverland, LaPerruque said. For the parents' ۶۰th anniversary party, the restaurant was closed for Janet Jackson and the party members. (ABC۷) LaPerruque: In my course of employment with Mr. Jackson we'd have a room for him for down time also called green room. LaPerruque made sure the room was set for MJ upon arrival. They first saw each other in the main room but talked in the private room.(ABC۷) Chang: A family member come to the ranch on one occasion, right? LaPerruque: Yes. Chang: Was MJ always able to perform and complete his functions? LaPerruque: Yes. Chang: If there was ever a time he could not get up on stage to perform, that would've been a concern for you? LaPerruque: Yes AEG redirect Chang's questioning concluded, and Putnam only asked a few questions. He asked if Jackson's late night calls came during the same time period as the clips of him performing at the Democratic fundraiser, American Bandstand event. La Perruque said they were. The calls occurred over was a broad time period, from ۲۰۰۱ to ۲۰۰۴. (AP) LaPerruque is then excused. Eric Briggs Testimony AEG redirect AEG Live defense attorney Sabrina Strong questioned Briggs first today, questioning him about areas where his opinion had been attacked. Briggs maintained that any projection of Jackson's future earnings would be speculative and he didn't try to estimate a figure. Briggs said calculations that Panish walked him through last week weren't credible. He called them the results of a "math problem." The figures Panish had Briggs tally were very similar to what $۱ billion+ figure that plaintiff's expert Arthur Erk generated. Briggs: "Those are tours that never took place.Those are imaginary tours that are the result of a math problem." (AP) Sabrina Strong did the questioning. She asked if Briggs recorded the time worked in this case as it's customary in the industry. "During the course of my ۱۵ year career, this is the normal course we bill clients," Briggs responded. Strong asked if the amount he billed had anything to do with his opinions. Briggs said no. (ABC۷) Briggs: I set out to evaluate the reasonable projections based on Mr. Erk's numbers. He said he attended Erk's testimony, gave depositions, did extensive research to come to his conclusions and opinion. Briggs said the first time he saw Erk's projections was during Erk's deposition in March. He was deposed a couple of days later. Briggs said after his own deposition, he did additional research. He looked into the history of MJ's tour in the US and overseas. He also analyzed the history of any artists selling out all the shows. Briggs said the projection was done based on a solo artist, thus he didn't analyze MJ as part of Jacksons ۵ group. Briggs said he analyzed Erk's projection and upon concluding it was speculative, it wasn't for him to speculate forecast in lots of pages. (ABC۷) Strong asked about Brian Panish inquiring Briggs' background in audits. "This case does not involve audit dispute," Briggs responded. (ABC۷) Briggs said Erk submitted specific projection of an entertainment project that MJ would've potentially be part of. "What the economics of the project is is what I do every day, evaluating risks and projecting income," Briggs explained. Strong showed slide created by Panish. The blue bars is what has been publicly known to have occurred, Briggs said. Strong asked if the green bars are "imaginary tours" result of math problem. "Those are tours that never took place," Briggs said. Briggs explained Panish's math: MJ's average public multiplied by number of shows by other artists multiplied by Erk's $۱۰۸ tix price. Briggs said Panish used ۳ different statistics and multiply them all. "It's just a math problem," he said.Strong: Looking at this, did Mr. Panish compare apples to apples? Briggs: I don't think so. Briggs said ۵۵k people multiplied by ۱۶۷ shows in AC/DC tour results in over ۹ million tickets, doubled what was ever associated with MJ. Briggs said HIStory tour sold ۴.۵ million tickets for ۸۲ shows, Bad also sold roughly ۴.۵ million tickets for ۱۲۳ shows. Briggs: Historically, his shows sold ۴.۵ million tickets, appreciating he sold more albums at that point and was more active. Strong: Was that the peak of his career? Briggs: I think so. Briggs said Erk's projection is "significantly in excess of MJ's prior tours & significantly in excess of imaginary tours Panish calculated". Strong: Could MJ have audience of ۱۳ million on his show? Briggs: I don't know how you can be reasonably certain that would've happened. (ABC۷) He told the jury you can't assume that just because a promoter added concerts, it would definitely sell out. Briggs: "Simply adding shows doesn't mean the audience will keep showing up to fill the arena." The global attendance for two of Jackson's previous tours, "Bad" and "Dangerous" was roughly ۴.۵ million concertgoers, Briggs said. Erk's projections more than doubled that figure, which Briggs said wasn't supported by Jackson's touring history. (AP) Briggs said Gongaware email communication indicate there was a proposal to go on a worldwide tour on Sept. ۲۶, ۲۰۰۸. Briggs said there were number of words in the email that indicates to him it was a preliminary plan. "This is clearly in the early stages of a proposal," Briggs said. In Sept. ۲۰۰۸, the agreement between MJ and AEG had not been signed yet. Regarding email saying "his gross would approached half a billion dollar," Briggs said he interprets it to be total ticket sales/merchandise. Erk's projection was $۱.۵۶ billion, he compared. Email says "Net to Mikey $۱۳۲ million," which Briggs explained indicates the amount AEG was expecting to have MJ net. Briggs said Erk projected roughly $۹۰۰ million net for MJ. Briggs: There was no formal plan (for world tour), this is early proposal and Mr. Erk's projection was entirely speculative. Regarding shows in Japan and India, Gongaware was planning ۴ shows in India. Briggs said Erk projected ۶۰ shows in India. Gongaware planned ۸ shows in Japan plus ۱ private for a total of ۹ shows, versus Mr. Erk's projection of ۵۰ shows in Japan, Briggs said. (ABC۷) Briggs said he saw some headlines regarding MJ donating proceeds from a tour to charity. He said he doesn't know if that ever happened. Briggs said he relied on Gongaware's testimony that MJ's tours lost money or broke even, since the actual amount is normally confidential.Strong: If he didn't make money from those tours, would he donate money? Briggs: If he didn't make any money there would be no profit for him to donate. (ABC۷) Briggs reviewed Dr. Shimelman's deposition in this case. The doctor was asked to give his best estimate of MJ's life expectancy in June ۲۰۰۹.Briggs: He clearly stated that Michael Jackson's life expectancy was ۱ week as of June ۲۰۰۹. Strong: What other issues did Dr. Shimelman rely upon other than MJ's use of Propofol? Briggs: He spoke specifically to the synergy of the drugs MJ was taking and the impact of them on the artist. Briggs said Dr. Earley and Dr. Levounis also relied upon knowledge of history of his drugs use/manner which he took them for their opinion. Strong: Did they rely solely on Propofol use? Briggs: There were testimony of the synergy of the drugs, the interaction of the drugs MJ used (AB۷) "I don't see how an interest for a world tour makes it reasonably certain it will happen," Briggs said.He said there was no agreement beyond ۵۰ shows at the time of MJ's death.Also, there's a need to consider MJ's history of drugs use and canceling shows, and the broad risk in the business. Briggs said there was significant demand that exceeded expectations for the London show. "It means in London there were many people interested in seeing MJ do what he did best: perform," he explained. But Briggs testified there was a difference between demand for seeing MJ and a company sponsoring the artist.He said AEG was not able to secure any endorsement even after the high demand for tickets. Briggs: It indicates there was a demand, it does not alleviate the health risk, it does not alleviate the cancellation risk. (ABC۷) Tom Barrack testified he did not know about Mr. Jackson's drug use, Briggs said. Briggs said he was asked to analyze what we have today and the key factors we know now that we didn't know back then. "Erk specifically stated he did not take Michael Jackson's drug use into consideration to form his opinion," Briggs testified. "There's no reasonable basis for those projections based on the facts we know," Briggs concluded. (ABC۷) ( Outside the presence of the jury, Putnam told Judge Yvette Palazuelos that Panish threatened Briggs during the break. Putnam said Panish told Briggs "you're lucky we're in court." "I can't have my witness threatened, you honor," Putnam said. Panish said the events were not quite like that. He told the judge Briggs ran him over, said "this witness ran me over".Judge laughed and said "I'd be surprised if anyone can run you over, Mr. Panish." Panish said he didn't touch or hit him. Judge: Mr. Panish, don't talk to any witness unless you're talking about this case. Panish: I didn't threat him, he's not afraid, he'd know if I threatened him. (ABC۷) ) Jackson recross In re-cross, Panish asked if Briggs was put aside to accommodate another witness who had scheduling problems. He said yes. (ABC۷) When Panish took over, he asked Briggs if it was fair to say his fees for the case were over $۷۰۰k. Briggs said that was fair to say. Panish then said that for $۷۰۰k, his opinion was that Jackson wouldn't have earned any money for his children. Briggs said any projection was speculative and he wasn't there to speculate.(AP) Panish: Is it fair to say your bills is $۷۰۰ thousand now? Briggs: That's fair to say. Panish: And for ۷۰۰k your opinion is that MJ would not have earned one dime from working to give to his children? Briggs: Any projection of earning is speculative Panish: In your opinion, it's speculative MJ'd earn any money working, correct? Briggs: Yes. Panish: You don't determine what's relevant in this courtroom, right? "Concerning my opinion, I determine what is relevant," Briggs said. (ABC۷) Panish asked about Briggs' interaction w/ MJ Estate's lawyer. "I told you there was not a written waiver with the Estate," Briggs explained. The Estate has different lawyers, they are not represented by Panish's firm, Briggs said. He said his understanding is that his partner called the Estate lawyer, Jeryll Cohen, notifying he would testify in this case. Panish: So that statement under oath was untruthful, sir? Briggs: That's not correct, that was my best understanding at the time. Panish said Briggs testified he asked the Estate for permission to be hired by AEG and testify in this case. "I now understand the substance of the call was not an authorization but a call of notification," Briggs explained."There was a call to notify the Estate not to receive authorization from the Estate," Briggs said. Panish: Is your testimony you called Ms. Cohen prior to signing the engagement letter with AEG's attorneys? Briggs: That's not correct. "I never called Ms. Cohen to get authorization to testify," Briggs said. "No one called for authorization, they called for notification." Briggs said his partner, Roy Salter, called Hoffman's company to notify Briggs was going to testify in this case. Panish: And you are as sure of that as everything you testify to in this case, correct? Briggs: Yes. Briggs said the general counsel at FTI took care of the issue. (ABC۷) Panish: Are you concerned about giving false testimony under oath? Briggs: Of course I'm concerned of giving false testimony under oath! "There was no authorization sought, there was a notification to the Estate," Briggs said. Briggs said he doesn't have any record of speaking with Salter about it. He said his best recollection is that it happened a few days prior to the firm's engagement with AEG's counsels. (ABC۷) Panish showed Briggs' opinion. "This is the basis of my opinion that it's speculative that the UK shows would be completed," Briggs said. "One basis is the health of MJ," Briggs said. "As part of that basis, life expectancy is key." Panish: Did you write anything up about the Coroner's testimony? Briggs: I did not. Panish asked if Coroner's testified about life expectancy. "I understand the Coroner was not deposed," Briggs said. Therefore, he said he could not note anything about it in his notes. "I did not make reference of autopsy report," Briggs explained. (ABC۷) Panish asked how many projects MJ did after the "Dangerous" tour. Briggs said it depended on how the work was classified. Panish named several projects MJ worked, such as Luciano Pavarotti Benefit for the Children, "United We Stand" ۹۱۱ benefit. He also performed in NY with Bill Clinton, participated in movies "Man in Black ۲" and "Miss Castaway," Thriller ۲۵ album re-released. Briggs knew about some of the projects, not all. He said "Thriller ۲۵" was extremely successful.(ABC۷) After the break, Panish asked Briggs about several projects that MJ completed after the HIStory tour that the consultant hadn't considered. They included some of the events that La Perruque testified about this morning, including the "Men In Black: II" cameo. Panish also asked about the release of a No. ۱ hits compilation, the "Thriller ۲۵" release in ۲۰۰۸ and ۱۰۰ songs MJ recorded between '۰۱-'۰۸ Briggs said he couldn't say for sure how involved Jackson was in any compilation or album re-release projects. (AP) Panish: Do you know he recorded ۱۰۰ new songs between ۲۰۰۱ and ۲۰۰۸ for new release? Briggs: I did not know that. "Just to be clear, I'm giving an opinion to future earning, not about his albums," Briggs said. Briggs explained if they had a plan, that would be in support of the O۲ tour, as well as detailed budget and financing. "Financing appeared to be in place for O۲ concerts, yes," Briggs said. There was also a director and approximately $۳۴ million investment. O۲ arena's capacity for MJ show is ۱۵,۰۰۰ average. "The contract contemplated a possibility for a world tour," Briggs opined. "Territory is a define term in the contract," Briggs said. " Territory is defined as the world." Panish: Is this evidence a world tour was contemplated by MJ and AEG Live? Briggs: Yes, this is evidence a world tour was contemplated.(ABC۷) Panish showed email Kathy Jorrie wrote: Nonetheless, I recommend that a background check be performed through a private investigator and/or at a minimum, that someone at AEG Live meet with Michael Jackson to make sure he understands that we are entering into a tour agreement with him that will require him to perform a worldwide tour... (ABC۷) Panish asked about a line in an email by Kathy Jorrie, the attorney who drafted Conrad Murray's agreement, that mentioned a worldwide tour. Briggs confirmed that Jorrie wrote that Jackson would be required to perform a worldwide tour. He reiterated his opinion, based on reading testimony from medical experts, that Jackson's drug use might keep the world tour from happening. Panish also showed Briggs an email from AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips from March ۲۰۰۹ that said the company had a ۴-year plan for MJ concerts. Briggs said just because there was demand for Jackson concerts, it didn't change the risk factors that MJ wouldn't be able to tour.(AP) Panish: You told us MJ's drug use makes it speculative that he could do a worldwide tour and earn a dime? Briggs: His drug use was a factor and basis for my opinion. (ABC۷) Briggs said endorsement companies have a long memory about the people they want to associate themselves with. Panish asked if endorsement companies had a long-lasting memory about Tiger Wood. Briggs said athletes and very different from artists. Panish: Tell us every endorsement deal you remember you reviewed as part of your experience. Briggs said he doesn't remember reviewing specific contracts for endorsement, need moment to think. The expert did say he reviewed ۵۰ Cent and Vitamin Water endorsement deal. Briggs said he's reluctant to disclose values, but knows ۵۰ Cent received equity in the company. Panish: It was more than $۱۰۰ million, wasn't sir? Briggs: Not at the time, he entered into a deal thought to be much less than that. Briggs said the deal was around $۱۰ million, but he doesn't recall any cash transaction. Today the deal is said to be valued $۱۰۰ million. Briggs wrote in his note: Paul McCartney -- $۵ million Lexus Rolling Stones -- $۱۰ million Citibank Others in the $۱-۲ million range.Panish asked Briggs where that information came from. Briggs said he doesn't recall, can't give specifics. (ABC۷) Regarding the ۴ year plan that included Australia tour, Briggs said: "I do not see how demand addresses a one week life expectancy."(ABC۷) Panish addressed the judge: Your honor, I ask that Mr. Putnam stop making comments. Judge: I already said I'm not going to babysit the two of you. Jury didn't laugh this time around. (ABC۷) Panish discussed with Briggs, extensively, the chart and how Erk arrived at those numbers. (ABC۷) AEG redirect Strong, in re-re-re-direct: Did you ever dispute a world tour was contemplated? Briggs: I did not. He said he took that in consideration, but it didn't alleviate some of the concerns he had. (ABC۷) Briggs said the general counsel of his firm cleared that there was no conflict of interest for him to testify in this case. "The Estate has not objected to my involvement in this case," Briggs said. (ABC۷) Jackson recross Panish, in re-re-re-cross: You're sure as anything else you testified that your company contacted the Estate before signing the agreement? Briggs: That's correct. Briggs is excused and judge gave a break in the afternoon session. Timm Wooley video deposition AEG's attorneys played video deposition of Timm Wooley, a financial advisor who worked on "This Is It." He's been an advisor for ۲۰ years. (ABC۷) Woolley was a tour accountant who spoke to Murray about the terms of his contract and forwarded him draft contracts. Woolley was deposed in Florida in June ۲۰۱۲. He said he never read Murray's draft contracts and denied he negotiated with the doctor. According to Woolley, he called Murray to work out details of what he needed to work on the "This Is It" shows and details for a contract. Woolley said he was instructed by AEG Live executive Paul Gongaware to deal with Murray. The men spoke in early May.(AP) Kevin Boyle, Jacksons' attorney, did the questioning. Boyle asked if he thought it was weird MJ wanted a doctor on tour. "It was his choice, whether it was usual or not usual was not my place to decide," Wooley responded. "I think I wanted to get Mr. Murray off my back," Wooley said regarding emails he wrote to Murray. He said the intention was to put him off. (ABC۷) Wooley said Prince had done some shows in O۲, he acted as financial consultant. Gongaware contacted Wooley to work in the "This It It" tour. Wooley got an email in early ۲۰۰۹. He said Gongaware wanted him as his deputy to work on projections, payables, payroll, petty cash. "(I) Deputed for him in matters financial, when delegated to me," Wooley explained. Wooley said he did not do the negotiations with Dr. Murray. He said negotiations is a broad term, may have done some work. He said he gathered information on behalf of MJ, his doctor that the artist wanted to contract, Wooley explained.Wooley said Gongaware told him MJ wanted to hire Conrad Murray, whom he said he later found out was MJ's primary physician. Boyle: Did you ask why MJ wanted a personal physician on tour? Wooley: Not mine to ask. (ABC۷) Wooley remembers calling Murray once in early May to check if he needed anything that he would get the info to the appropriate people. One email says: "Need for one venue-based, one home-based extracorporeal CPR units." Wooley said he suggested Dr. Murray to get CPR units. He said he was working for the tour, called the doctor on behalf of Michael Jackson. Boyle: Did you take any orders from MJ? Wooley: No. "I enumerated that item as an item he might wanted to have," Wooley said about the CPR, or defibrillation, units. He said in his community there was installation of CPR units in some houses and he thought of asking. Boyle asked if Wooley lived in a retirement home. He said he's not retired. Boyle: Did you have any reason to believe MJ could have suffer a heart attack? Wooley: None (ABC۷) Murray wasn't forthcoming with what he needed to treat Jackson, so Woolley said he suggested he have two CPR machines for use in London. Woolley said he didn't have any specific reason to think Jackson needed a CPR machine, but suggested it as a precaution. (AP) "I was gathering information to compose projections and budget," Wooley testified. Boyle: Did you discuss Dr. Murray giving injection of Propofol to MJ? Wooley: No. Wooley never discussed the need for IV lines and needles. He said the doctor told him he may needed an assistant. Wooley said they did not discuss need for nurse or doctor. "We didn't talk about his services," Wooley said. (ABC۷) Boyle showed an email Wooley sent to Dr. Murray on May ۱۴, ۲۰۰۹. It says he was following up with Dr. Murray. Email from Murray on May ۱۵, ۲۰۰۹: As for good faith w/ my client... I'm sure you're aware my services are already fully engaged with MJ. Wooley doesn't remember the email and doesn't know what "my services are already fully engaged" meant. "I was attempting to be helpful," Wooley explained. He said he was not aware that Dr. Murray was treating MJ on behalf of AEG. Email from Dr. Murray: Dear Timm, I gather from your last email my contract is taking a little more time to get than usual... Email said his services are being done in good faith and asked, in reciprocity of good faith, to have payment for May deposited. "I didn't have any agreement with Dr. Murray," Wooley said.(ABC۷) Boyle: Did AEG have an agreement? Wooley: Never. There was never a completed agreement between Dr. Murray and AEG. Wooley said he had no idea if AEG would pay Dr. Murray for May. He said he never read the contract. Wooley testified he would've told Dr. Murray he would not get paid until the contract is completed. Wooley said he does not recall specifically receiving an email from Dr. Murray with his bank account info and request for $۱۵۰k payment. Wooley said he does not remember if he asked Dr. Murray his bank account number. The advisor said he was gathering the information with Dr. Murray to be put in a contract . (ABC۷) Woolley said he was self-employed but paid by AEG. He said he took orders from Gongaware but did not take orders from Jackson. Woolley wrote Murray that the type of contract he needed to work on "This Is It" tour was rare and needed to be specially drafted. The men exchanged numerous emails in May and June ۲۰۰۹, with Murray trying to get AEG to pay his $۱۵۰k a month fee. (AP) Email on May ۲۸ from Wooley to Murray said doctor's contract was delayed because it was rare event physician engaged to go on tour. "Yes, as far as I know, I was telling the truth," Wooley said. "I was putting him off." (ABC۷) Boyle wanted to know if Wooley asked why they were taking the doctor along. "Did I not say it was Mr. Jackson's request and it was not my place to question that?" Wooley responded.(ABC۷) Wooley said Dr. Murray came from Vegas and MJ was living in Vegas for a period of time. Wooley wrote email that AEG policy dictates you can only pay someone w/ fully executed contract. He said he knows it based on his experience. (ABC۷) Wooley testified he forwarded to Dr. Murray the contract Kathy Jorrie sent him. He said he did not read it.Boyle showed Wooley a chain of emails between him and Kathy Jorrie. He said he did not recall the chain specifically. In an email, Wooley apologized for the delay in getting the contract to Murray, said once contract is executed AEG could pay May/June salary."There wouldn't be any payment until a full agreement," Wooley said. (ABC۷) Woolley forwarded draft contracts prepared by attorney Kathy Jorrie to Murray and also tried to obtain the doctor's medical records. The medical records were needed for a second physical that insurers wanted on Jackson in order to get additional tour insurance. Woolley said he couldn't remember whether Murray ever provided the medical records to AEG. (AP) Wooley said he remembers Dr. Murray had MJ's medical record from ۲۰۰۶ to ۲۰۰۹. It was needed for purposes of securing insurance. Wooley testified Dr. Murray seemed to be the person to have the records, which was needed for underwriter of insurance. (ABC۷) Wooley said they would not have needed CPR units until they went to the UK. He did not quote any prices for the machine. Wooley expressed he never discussed with Dr. Murray what kind of treatment he would be giving MJ. (ABC۷) Wooley testified he never saw any of the drafts of the contract between Dr. Murray and AEG, only forwarded them. Brigitte Segal was MJ's personal tour manager, Wooley said.Wooley was not asked to run a background check on Dr. Murray and doesn't know if it was ever requested by anyone. (ABC۷) Wooley said Dr. Murray asked for a "locum," a British medical term for a person who stands by in place of a physician. (ABC۷) He also said he never estimated how much getting CPR equipment in London would cost, and never discussed medical treatments with Murray. Woolley maintained throughout his testimony that Murray was Jackson's personal doctor and he never had an agreement with AEG. His deposition was taken by plaintiff's attorney Kevin Boyle and there was no cross-examination by AEG lawyers played for jurors. (AP) That ended Wooley's deposition

ادعاهای عجیب مارک لستر را خوانده‌اید. او می‌گوید پدر فرزندان مایکل جکسون است! او در مصاحبه‌ با روزنامه‌های انگلیسی بسیاری از ادعای خود دفاع کرده است. لستر می‌گوید نگران فرزندان مایکل به خصوص پاریس است که در روز ۵ ژوئن پس از بریدن دست‌اش به بیمارستان منتقل شد. لستر می‌خواهد فرزندان مایکل که وارثان ثروت میلیارد دلاری پدرشان هستند در نزد او زندگی کنند. گویا لستر از زمان نقش آفرینی در فیلم الیور تویست در کودکی، دلش برای سینما تنگ شده و اکنون سودای بازی به عنوان فرزندان مایکل را در سر دارد، البته نخستین فردی که باید قانع‌اش کند، دبی رو همسر مایکل و مادر پرینس و پاریس است. الیور تویست سابق روز ۲۵ جولای در توییتر جنگ لفظی مختصری با دبی رو داشت... لستر: "سلام دبی، فکر می‌کنم به خاطر صلاحدید پاریس بهتره حرف بزنیم. ما روابط خانوادگی محکمی داریم." دبی: "چرا نمیری به جهنم؟" لستر: "چرا انقدر عصبانی هستی؟ من از در دوستی وارد شدم. آروم باش. مشکلت چیه؟" رو: "تعجب می‌کنم که بعد از تمام اراجیفی که گفتی، خانواده‌ات هنوز با تو صحبت می‌کنند!" لستر: "سکوت بهترین جوابه." رو: "پس خفه شو، مگر اینکه روزنامه‌های انگلیسی برای توییت‌ هم بهت پول میدن." لستر: "من چهار فرزند دارم و هر روز با اونها حرف می‌زنم." دبی: "خوش به حالت، از من و بچه‌های من فاصله بگیر." مارک لستر سپس در مورد اینکه مایکل فرزندان‌اش را به تنهایی بزرگ کرد، به دبی طعنه زد: لستر: "من بچه‌هام رو به تنهایی بزرگ کردم، این قضیه برات آشنا نیست؟ وقتی مادر بچه‌هام اونها رو ترک کرد من بزرگشون کردم. هر روز باهاشون حرف می‌زنم، تو چطور؟ با فرزندانت حرف میزنی؟ رو: "وای، تو سعی داری چه کسی رو قانع کنی؟" لستر: "مادر اونها هم مثل تو به اسب‌ها و سگ‌ها علاقه داشت اما نه به بچه‌های خودش." رو: "زندگی تو اینطور بوده، نه من. تو هیچی نمی‌دونی." لستر: "شب بخیر دبی، امیدوارم خوب بخوابی، مطمئنم که خوب می‌خوابی." رو: "همیشه." دبی سپس نوشت که مردم انگلستان از اینکه لستر یکی از آنهاست شرمسار هستند و اینکه لستر احتمالا در پی شغل است و می‌خواهد یکی از منابع مخفی رسانه‌ها باشد. منبع: eMJey.com / Twitter

Jacksons vs AEG - Day ۶۱ - August ۱ ۲۰۱۳ - Summary Katherine Jackson was present in court. (source: ABC۷ unless otherwise indicated) Eric Briggs Testimony Jackson cross Panish asked if independent appraiser hired by the IRS valued Sony ATV catalogue between ۱۰۰ and ۳۰۰ million. Briggs said "that's correct." Panish: And that Mr. Jackson had more assets, this was just one of them and it was valued ۱۰۰ to ۳۰۰ million in excess to the debt, correct? Briggs: I understand there were other assets. Panish said MJ had his own music catalogue, in addition to the other assets. Briggs agreed. The value was just for the Sony ATV catalogue. Panish showed a chart with MJ's "Net" Earnings from Tours. Briggs said he relied on Paul Gongaware's statement saying "Dangerous" lost money. Panish said Gongaware is one of the defendants in this case. Briggs said he relied on his testimony. Panish: You'd expect he would know what was going on, right, sir? Briggs: I'd expect he had information that supported that statement. Panish asked what was Gongaware's involvement in "Dangerous" tour. Briggs said he believed he was involved in the production of the show. Panish: Did Mr. Gongaware deal with the artist in the tour? Briggs: They are dealing with many different factors, including the artist, MJ. Briggs: I understood he was involved in the production of the show and had knowledge to make that statement. Panish: Did you know MJ went into rehabilitation? Briggs: I know he ended the tour and entered a rehabilitation. Briggs said he cannot speak to specific knowledge of what Gongaware had. The expert said Gongaware made it very clear the tour lost money. Panish: Just a fact that he made the statement was good enough for you to rely on? Briggs: I did not check the veracity of the information. I relied exclusively on his statement. Panish: How do you know "HIStory" broke even? Briggs: I relied on Paul Gongaware's statement. Panish: Did he give it to orphanages in India during that tour? Briggs: I don't recall that specifically. Panish asked if Briggs knew how much money MJ donated to charity from that tour. He said he doesn't know. "My recollection was non-profit organization established and there were conflicting headlines as to what was going in entity," Briggs said. Briggs doesn't know how much money MJ donated from the "HIStory" tour. Panish spent about an hour on his cross-examination, challenging other aspects of consultant Eric Briggs' testimony. Regarding a slide that Briggs prepared that showed Jackson's Dangerous tour lost money, Briggs said it was based on Gongaware's testimony. Panish asked whether Briggs did any other research on earnings for the Dangerous tour. The consultant said no. The slide states the HIStory tour broke even, which Briggs also based on AEG exec Paul Gongaware's testimony. Panish asked whether Briggs looked into the millions that Jackson donated to charities during that tour. Briggs said he read news stories. Briggs said he saw conflicting headlines about where the donations went, and he couldn't recall how much the stories said Jackson donated. (AP) Briggs said he met Gongaware at the AEG's lawyers office. Panish: Where you there meeting with the lawyers? Briggs: Yes No one told Briggs that he shouldn't ask Gongaware questions. Panish asked if he spoke with Gongaware about this case. Briggs: Our discussion was very high level, we spoke about the industry, friends in the industry, generic subjects. "It was speculative whether the world tour would happen," Briggs said. Panish asked if mattered that there was no agreement beyond the ۵۰ shows, since w/ agreement, it would be speculative in his opinion anyway. Briggs: I disagree with your logic, the lack of agreement supports my opinion that it is speculative that the world tour would happen. Briggs said MJ's history of drug use, long-term effects, and that he was taking drugs in a very dangerous way shortened his life expectancy. Panish asked what "great prognosis" is. Briggs said it means that someone is partaking in actions that's very dangerous. Briggs testify Dr. Earley said MJ's drug use was like playing Russian roulette. Panish: Who put the bullets in the gun? Briggs: I believe he said it wasn't an appropriate question. Panish: The witness wants to argue with me and not answer the quesitons. Judge: He's answering the questions. Panish asked what was MJ's cancellation rate for shows. Briggs said he doesn't know for certain. Performance risk is whether people would come ۲ the show, Briggs said. Panish asked if there was any question people would show for TII tour. Briggs said no, that there was testimony they could've done at least ۱۰۰ more shows based on demand. "This It It" tour: Panish: Was there a plan to do O۲ shows? Briggs: Yes P: Was there an audience? B: Certainly P: Was there finance? B: Yes Panish: So all the factors were met for the O۲ shows? Briggs: Yes World tour: Panish: Was there ever a plan, in writing, from Gongaware for world tour? Briggs: If you're referencing the Sept. ۲۰۰۸ plan, yes The proposal reflected ۱۸۶ shows, Briggs said. "It appears, based on exhibits I reviewed, that proposal was sent to Mr. Anschutz." Briggs said he recalls Gongaware testifying they wanted to go on a world tour after O۲ shows. Panish asked if Briggs reviewed MJ's lawyer, Dennis Hawk, testimony that MJ was planning to go to Asia on tour. He said yes. Panish: Do you recall Mr. Hawk testified that MJ would get $۴۰۰ million? Briggs: Tried to, yes, that's what he hoped. "He described that as his hope, yes," Briggs said. "He described as hope, not intention." Panish asked if Hawk testified he had no doubts MJ would complete the shows successfully. Briggs said the word successfully was in the question, and that Hawk answer "no, I have no doubts." Regarding Kenny Ortega, Panish asked if MJ told Ortega that they were going on a world tour, asked 'Have you ever been to India, you must.' And MJ continue to tell Ortega that after completing the O۲ he wanted to take the show back out and around the world. "Whatever you're doing, you have to come to India' MJ told Ortega and then he said 'Have you ever been to Japan?' Ortega testified that after that, MJ was going to hang his hat up as touring artist and wanted to transition to do movies. Panish: After the world tour, sir, isn't that true? Briggs: I don't recall the sequence of events . Panish showed Ortega's deposition. Panish: Your interpretation of Ortega's deposition is that he's not going on tour? Briggs: He states here very clearly he had hopes. "That someone hopes that something is going to happen it doesn't indicate it will happen," Briggs said. Panish asked if Briggs saw Paris' testimony that they were going on world tour. "I believe I considered her testimony, but her testimony was not a foundation or basis for my opinion," Briggs testified. "I understand Mr. Gongaware expressed same intention, and I relied on that," Briggs explained. Briggs said Gongaware had intentions based on what he knew then, not now. The consultant stuck to his core opinion, that projections of Jackson's earnings or the idea he'd complete a world tour were speculative. To combat that, Panish showed Briggs testimony from "This Is It" Director Kenny Ortega and Paris Jackson. They discussed the world tour. Both Ortega and Paris Jackson in their depositions discussed MJ's plans to go on a world tour after completing the London shows. Briggs was also shown deposition testimony by MJ's attorney, Dennis Hawk, stating he tried to structure a world tour deal so that Jackson would earn $۴۰۰ million if he completed the shows. Briggs agreed that was Hawk's testimony, but said world tour was a 'hope.' (AP) Panish then showed a slide with the ۴ highest-grossing concert tours of all time. U۲ topped the list. Panish then walked Briggs through the math if Jackson did as many shows as U۲ or Madonna, had an average ticket price of $۱۰۸ and sold merchandise equal to ۷.۵% of the tour's earnings. The results showed that an MJ tour would have earned more than $۱ billion. The ranges went as high as $۱.۶ billion with merchandise and ticket sales factored in, very similar to projections by the plaintiff's expert. Briggs was dismissive of the exercise, saying it was a "math problem." (AP) Briggs testified the range for merchandise is ۵-۱۵%. The budget had approximately ۷-۸% of total revenue tour in merchandise. Panish's calculation: ۱۸۶ shows x ۵۵,۰۰۰ people x $۱۰۸ ticket = $۱.۱ billion x ۷.۵% merchandise = approximately $۱.۲ billion total. Judge: Mr. Panish, why are you gesturing me? Panish: Ms. Strong is making faces at me, I didn't want to say anything. Jurors groaned... Strong: There has been many misrepresentations against me and my colleagues. Judge: I don't think making faces is something I should even have to acknowledge it. Just ignore it. Panish concluded his cross examination AEG redirect Sabrina Strong did re-direct. Sony ATV catalogue contains Eagles music in and countless others, Briggs explained. "I performed significant amount of work regarding Sony ATV catalogue over the last ۵-۱۰ years," the expert said. Michael Jackson and Sony corporation own the catalogue ۵۰/۵۰ each. Strong: Why were you so uncomfortable answering the questions regarding the Sony ATV catalogue? Briggs: Because I am under confidentiality agreement with various companies I worked for related to valuation of Sony catalogue. Briggs said he takes the confidentiality agreement very seriously and didn't want to violate them. During deposition, Briggs said he told Jacksons' attorneys that he would not disclose the value of the catalogue to any of the sides. Strong: You're not here as expert to talk about Sony catalogue? Briggs: That's correct, it had nothing to do with the conclusions of my work. Briggs: We project future income from songs, assess that income to figure out how much the catalogue was worth. Briggs performed work for Sony ATV, various lenders and investors, like Fortress Capital, and the Estate of Michael Jackson. Briggs said he has a confidentiality agreement with the Estate of Michael Jackson and other companies he worked for. Briggs said he cannot disclose any information regarding the catalogue unless directed by the court. Strong: At the instruction of the judge, you told us values of Sony catalogue, right? Briggs: Yes. Strong asked when MJ Estate attys hired him to evaluate the catalogue. Briggs said the work was done in ۲۰۱۰ for the value as of MJ's death. The evaluation was done based in the piece that belonged to Michael Jackson, which is ۵۰%, Briggs said. Strong: What did you value the catalogue? There was an objection, since he didn't answer that before. Kevin Boyle: IRS valuation for MJ's part of the catalogue was in excess of MJ's debt by range of $۱۰۰-۳۰۰ million. Testimony is that MJ's debt was $۴۰۰ million plus range= $۵۰۰-۷۰۰ million for MJ's part alone, about $۱.۴ billion for entire catalogue. Strong: And your valuation was less than the debt? Briggs: That's correct. Briggs said his valuation was roughly in line with what MJ owed. Briggs knows who the person doing the appraisal for the IRS is. Strong: Do you believe you undervalued the catalogue at the date of debt? Briggs: Absolutely not. Briggs said his firm always used the same techniques to assess risk, and his valuation was used in loans and plans. Briggs said people were listening and transacting based on his numbers. Boyle: The witness has no problem of breaching the confidentiality when Ms. Strong is asking the question. Judge: He's not breaching it, he's looking at me for instruction. If I say he needs to answer, he needs to answer. Strong: Why there may be a difference in your valuation and the IRS? Briggs said there are many reasons, two significant. One of which has to do with subject of control, Briggs said. If one party can control a business their share is worth more. Briggs: If there's a party that doesn't have control, they have to sit there as victims. It's how you interpret control. Briggs said the other is limitation on selling/monetizing. If someone owns part of something, entered into rules, it's not worth fair share. Because you're restricted, you can't do things freely, Briggs said. That's the difference between his valuation and IRS' valuation. Strong: MJ had control issues? Briggs: Generally speaking, yes. Briggs: MJ had limitation to sell or borrow against it. His ability to sell it brings the value down. Strong said there were testimony that MJ was no longer able to borrow against that asset. Is that consistent? Briggs said a number of business managers made reference of MJ's financial situation. "I do not believe I undervalued that asset," Briggs testified. Strong asked about conflict of interest in this case. Briggs said he participated in the process of checking whether a conflict existed. Strong: There's no conflict because that work was not related to this work? Briggs: My specific opinion in projecting income for MJ had he lived, what he would've earned. Briggs: Everything regarding the catalogue had nothing to do with MJ's ability to make money working. Briggs said Sony ATV catalogue has the Beatles songs in it, Willie Nelson, others. It's an investment, doesn't even have MJ's music in it. As using debt as factor in his opinion, Briggs said he meant it in relation to endorsements. The perception that MJ had debts could infringe his ability to, for example, go to Citibank, ask money for the tour, Briggs said. Briggs: The unfortunate perception in the media, it had nothing to do whether he did it or not. Strong asked why Briggs mentioned the molestation trial if MJ had been acquitted. "Because we live in a world, unfortunately, that headlines created a perception. And that hurts endorsement deals," Briggs said. Michael LaPerruque Testimony AEG direct After lunch, AEG called their next witness out of order, Michael LaPerruque. He is unavailable at other times. Atty Marvin Putnam did the questioning. He asked if LaPerruque met with attorneys from defense and plaintiff prior to testimony. He said yes Putnam: Are you rooting for either side? LaPerruque: No, I'm not rooting for any side LaPerruque: I'm a security specialist, provide security for high profile people, celebrities, estate. I worked for Michael and Janet Jackson. MJ hired LaPerruque ۵-۱۰ times in the Summer of ۲۰۰۱. He was hired full time in December ۲۰۰۱ and was under employment until ۲۰۰۴. First full time gig in private security was in December ۲۰۰۱. He was with the Sheriff's Department prior to that for ۲۲ ۱/۲ years. Putnam asked if LaPerruque was trained to identify people intoxicated. He said yes, he attended drug intoxication courses. Earlier in the summer/۰۱, while still at the Sheriff's Dept, LaPerruque said man with MJ security asked for help at the Universal Hilton. LaPerruque stayed at the Universal Hilton, there was a room for him. MJ and the children, nanny, personal security team were there as well. The nanny would call him if they needed anything for MJ or the children. MJ was shooting short film at the lot, so LaPerruque was asked to provide security some times. He went with MJ to NY to provide security at ۳۰th anniversary of Madison Square Garden. In December ۲۰۰۱, LaPerruque was asked to be full time and head the security of Michael Jackson. For the NY trip, LaPerruque used vacation. Putnam: Is it fair to say you quit your job with the Sheriff's Department to work for Michael Jackson? LaPerruque: I retired. LaPerruque was in charge of Mr. Jackson's protection and the protection of his children. He consulted regarding Neverland security. LaPerruque: Anytime MJ stepped out of the property for extended period, going to LA or around the world, I was activated to accompany him. LaPerruque never lived at Neverland Ranch. Putnam: Was there a period of time he was with a doctor on a daily basis? LaPerruque: Yes LaPerruque: He would have a physician present, also when we would go out and were staying somewhere he'd have me call a physician. LaPerruque: We would get to a hotel and he would ask me to get the hotel physician. LaPerruque: I would go down to the concierge and ask if they had doctors they work with and get recommendation. LaPerruque would call the doctor. He said MJ complained about back pains, but he didn't ask every single time what the complaint was. "It became commonplace to have a physician ready upon arrivals at hotels," LaPerruque said. LaPerruque testified he learned the client's needs and after been asked many times to find hotel doctor he understood it was part of his job. If doctor came along, it would be someone Mr. Jackson knew and they would have a hotel room. LaPerruque did not help find those doctors. Putnam: From Dec. ۲۰۰۱ to ۲۰۰۴, did you believe Mr. Jackson was under the influence of drugs? LaPerruque: Yes LaPerruque said there were ۳ times he was at a hotel and got a phone call in the middle of the night. "His speech would be very slurred, it would be a lot of mumbling, wouldn't understand him sometimes," LaPerruque described. The security head said he would be asked to go to MJ's room, he had a key. "I would go to his room to make sure he was ok," LaPerruque said. "We would be in the room and he seemed to have a hard time," he said. Putnam: Did he speak in an incoherent manner? LaPerruque: Yes "It's just slurred speech, sort of mumbling," LaPerruque said. He would be sleeping when MJ called. Putnam: How many times did you go to his room? LaPerruque: Through the course of employment, probably ۱۰ to ۱۵ times. Another ۱۰ to ۱۵ times, he wasn't asked to go to MJ's room, LaPerruque said. Total would be between ۲۰ and ۳۰ times. LaPerruque: He wouldn't be very coherent, slurred speech, trying to fall asleep, incomprehensible. LaPerruque: He asked questions about the next day's schedule, asked questions over and over. "I knew he had unusual sleep patterns," LaPerruque said. "I think he was just lonely and wanted somebody to talk to." Putnam asked what made LaPerruque think he was under the influence of drugs. LaPerruque: Because the objective symptoms he was displaying, slurred speech, nod. "I never performed any tests but the symptoms he was displaying were consistent with being under the influence," LaPerruque testified. LaPerruque spoke with Dr Slavitch from San Francisco. He said he became worried about MJ due to numerous times he saw MJ under the influence. "I was worried about his health," LaPerruque testified. He also spoke with Grace Rwamba, MJ's children nanny at the time, about his concerns and Dr. Alimorad "Alex" Farshchian in Miami, Florida. He was one of the physicians that traveled with MJ, LaPerruque said, probably chosen by MJ. The relationship between Dr. Farshchian and MJ was already established when LaPerruque began working for the artist. LaPerruque spoke with Dr. Slavitch, Dr. Farshchian and Grace Rwamba about his concerns with MJ. Putnam: What were you concerned? LaPerruque: Just his general health, it seemed the frequency of the intoxication to be more occurring LaPerruque said his job was not only to protect MJ from fans or outside causes, but "I took it upon myself to take care of Mr. Jackson." LaPerruque: I knew they (the doctors) would be treating Mr. Jackson and wanted them to have a clear picture going in. Putnam asked if LaPerruque spoke with MJ's family members or business associates. "I didn't believe it was my place to do that," he said. LaPerruque: Few times in the middle of the day I'd go into his room and he'd be displaying signs of being under the influence. LaPerruque: Any kind of emails and phone calls came to me. I'd relay the message to him, would go to his room to slip a note under the door. LaPerruque: Mr. Jackson had propensity of losing his cell phone. I think I counted he lost ۲۷ cell phones (jury laughs). People were given LaPerruque's cell number and would leave him messages for Michael. LaPerruque'd knock on MJ's door, escort him to the room meeting would take place. He'd wait outside the door and escort MJ back to the room. LaPerruque: In rare occasions, there were times he seemed to be under the influence of drugs in meetings, had to be taken back to his room. "He had slurred speech, incoherent, looked like he was going unconscious," LaPerruque said. LaPerruque: I'd take him back to his room and make sure he was okay. I would seat there and make sure that he was breathing. Putnam: Why did you do that, sir? LaPerruque: It was part of my job. LaPerruque said speaking with MJ about it would be crossing the line. Even though he developed close relationship, needed to have a distance. LaPerruque: There are some professional lines you don't cross and I think it was not my place. Michael La Perruque said he occasionally went into the singer's hotel room to make sure he was breathing and would often find doctors to treat the pop superstar when he traveled. La Perruque retired from his job as a sheriff's deputy in ۲۰۰۱ to work as the head of Jackson's security detail and frequently traveled with him until ۲۰۰۴. (AP) Putnam: Did you like Mr. Jackson? LaPerruque: Very much! Putnam: Was there a time you didn't like Mr. Jackson? LaPerruque said they had some issues related to workload and work schedule, but for the most part it was a pleasure to work with Mr. Jackson LaPerruque: I believe he knew that I knew what was going. To bring up that conversation would put him on defensive, have barriers between us. "I wanted to be close to him, to protect him, to watch him," LaPerruque testified. LaPerruque: He knew I was there, he knew I saw him. There were times he fought very, very hard not to be dependent of those medications. "He fought very hard to not be dependent on prescription medication," LaPerruque testified. La Perruque said he spoke to two of Jackson's doctors about his concerns about the singer's prescription drug use, but that he never spoke directly about it to the singer because he didn't want him to become defensive. "It was my concern that he may overdose," he said. He said he knew Jackson had severe back pain and difficulty sleeping. Despite seeing the entertainer impaired, La Perruque said he never saw Jackson take any drugs or saw any signs of medications lying around. Jackson did try to get help, he said. "He fought very hard to be sober," La Perruque said. "He fought very hard not to be dependent on these prescription medications." Jackson however kept members of his family away because he knew they were trying to stage an intervention, he said. He told jurors that Jackson's younger brother Randy arrived at Neverland Ranch one day in a helicopter to speak with his brother about his medication usage. La Perruque said he turned him away. He said Jackson called him in the middle of the night between ۲۰ and ۳۰ times in the early ۲۰۰۰s and was often mumbling and incoherent. Half those times La Perruque said he went to the singer's room to check on him, and they would start talking."I think he was just lonely," La Perruque said. "He wanted somebody to talk to." (AP) One day, LaPerruque said MJ told him he was clean. 'I just want you to know I'm going to stay this way,' LaPerruque said MJ told him. LaPerruque understood that MJ was working hard to battle the prescription medication dependency. "He would have the doctors treating him to get him off the harder narcotics," LaPerruque said. Putnam asked how he knew and he said he'd have discussions with the doctors and they would tell him. Putnam: Where you concern it could cause overdose? LaPerruque: Yes. LaPerruque said that when he was with the sheriff's department he saw a number of people overdose and taken to emergency room. "It was my concern he would overdose," LaPerruque testified. LaPerruque never saw MJ do drugs or take prescription medication. He did see open wine bottles in his room. The security head said he never saw, anywhere, prescription drugs in MJ's hotel room or at Neverland. LaPerruque went a couple of times with MJ and his children to Disney World in Florida. There was a medical emergency once in ۲۰۰۱ or ۲۰۰۲. They were staying at a Disney hotel. LaPerruque doesn't think a doctor traveled along. He stayed in a different room from MJ and kids. LaPerruque: I was in my room, received phone call from hotel security that someone had called ۹۱۱ from MJ's hotel room, like young children. LaPerruque said they would check in under assumed name. Room service would come to him and he would take it to MJ's room. LaPerruque would set up times to have MJ's room cleaned. LaPerruque: I grabbed Mr. Jackson's keys and found Prince and Paris crying. They were crying saying they couldn't wake up daddy. LaPerruque: I was able to go into the room, had called security partner to meet at the room as well to take the two children to nanny's room. LaPerruque: I found Mr. Jackson in the hallway in the suite proned, unconscious. LaPerruque: I had to check for pulse, turned him over, shook him, ultimately was breathing. I was able to wake him up, took him to his room. Putnam: Did you have to do mouth-to-mouth? LaPerruque: I did P: Did you see any drugs? LP: No P: Alcohol? LP: Not that I recall "He became conscious, I wouldn't say alert, but conscious," LaPerruque said. Putnam asked if he was groggy. He said yes. LaPerruque tried to cancel paramedics, but they were arriving. He told them he found MJ and paramedics said they had to check him anyway. LaPerruque: He was cleared, they told me he had to see a physician. LaPerruque asked the paramedics to put on their report the name he checked himself under, not MJ name. LaPerruque: Just to make sure that was no further embarrassment on Mr. Jackson's part. LaPerruque said they left shortly thereafter. "I was just told we were gonna leave." LaPerruque never discussed this incident with MJ. Putnam: Did he ever thank you for coming over and helping him? LaPerruque: No P: Did anyone thank you? LP: No Putnam: Why didn't you talk to Mr. Jackson about it? LaPerruque: Because I didn't think it was my place. La Perruque said the singer's children called ۹۱۱ during a trip to Florida in ۲۰۰۱ or ۲۰۰۲ after their father collapsed in a hallway in a hotel suite at Walt Disney World. He said he found Jackson unconscious, revived him before paramedics arrived and never saw any signs of drugs or alcohol that the singer may have taken. Paramedics checked out the singer and determined he didn't need further medical attention, La Perruque said. (AP) LaPerruque would take MJ to doctors appointments, normally in Beverly Hills. He'd call building security alerting they were on the way. Putnam: Did you speak with anyone about that incident before? LaPerruque: No P: Did you ever consider letting the tabloids know? LP: No Putnam: Did you consider you could've made a lot of money? LaPerruque: No P: Why? LP: Because I had a commitment to Michael Jackson. The first time LaPerruque told anyone about this incident was in his deposition. Today in court was the second time. Putnam: Did you ever understand MJ had surgical procedure implant to help him get off of drugs? LaPerruque did not see any scarring regarding an implant. He was told by a physician, and judge didn't let him continue since it's hearsay. LaPerruque remembers in ۲۰۰۱ Jackson family attempting an intervention. MJ asked him to come up to the ranch right away. LaPerruque: He told me that his family would be coming over to the ranch to speak with him and asked me to interface with his relatives. "It was requested by Mr. Jackson," LaPerruque said. Putnam: He wanted to make sure his family members didn't come thru? LaPerruque: Yes LaPerruque: I was at the front gate, saw private helicopter flying very low over Neverland. Randy Jackson was in the helicopter. "He demanded to see Michael," LaPerruque recalled. "I told him that MJ said he didn't want to see any of his family members at the time." LaPerruque said Michael told him he had trouble sleeping. LaPerruque: He was trying to find something that would help him sleep. LaPerruque: There was one occasion I took him the doctor and I assumed he was there to see if he could find anything to help him sleep. Putnam: Did you have any understanding MJ was taking Propofol? LaPerruque: No LaPerruque never discussed using Propofol with MJ. Putnam: Did you ever have an impression Mr. Jackson was trying to hide drugs from you? LaPerruque: No. "I never saw him swallow a pill, never saw him take injections," LaPerruque testified. LaPerruque said there were two reasons he stopped working for MJ. First, he had two young children and at the service of MJ you work at his pleasure, you never had set schedule. LaPerruque: I was never home, I missed a lot my children, birthdays, holidays. He said he saw MJ's litigation with the Arvizo family (molestation accusation), had been in court before and knew how demanding it was. LaPerruque: He and I had discussed me taking some time off. LaPerruque said the other reason was the revenue stream, which was harder and harder, and financial matters were becoming an issue. LaPerruque took other jobs. He became in charge for the security of LA Times printing plants and security of corporate office. He also worked on internal investigations, security of journalists working on hostile environment in Iraq. In ۲۰۰۷, LaPerruque went back to work for Michael Jackson. He was still the head of security of the LA Times. Grace Rwamba called LaPerruque and said she wanted to meet him, had a message from Michael Jackson. LaPerruque: MJ always appreciated my loyalty, best security he ever had, asked me to return to work for him. "He kind of grew on me," LaPerruque explained. "I did care for the man." LaPerruque: At that time, my children had grown older, started their own things, always enjoyed the challenge working for MJ. After meeting with him and speaking with his manager at the time, LaPerruque left the LA Times and went to work for Michael Jackson. They met face to face, since the last time they spoke was in the Arvizo trial. He wanted to hear what MJ wanted him back. LaPerruque said Michael appeared bright, clear, energetic, full of energy. He wanted to do a lot of things. Based on the meeting, that's why he went back to work with him in ۲۰۰۷. His job was the same as before. He spoke with Raymone Bain. LaPerruque had a written agreement to work as head of security for Michael Jackson. He worked for him for only a few months in ۰۷. During this time, LaPerruque took MJ to NYC to meet with AEG Live execs. He escorted MJ into the room, probably ۱۰ people or more present. "Michael seemed bright and alert at this meeting. He seemed excited," LaPerruque said. The meeting lasted a couple of hours, LaPerruque said. He escorted MJ to Penn Station, he wanted to pick up some doughnuts for the kids. LaPerruque said he seemed happy, did not ask about how the meeting went. The security head never told AEG about any of the concerns he had with Michael Jackson. LaPerruque said he did not have any concern with MJ being under the influence of prescription drug in ۲۰۰۷. LaPerruque said he stopped working for MJ due to financial difficulties. "I wasn't getting paid," LaPerruque explained. "The production company wasn't paying me for my services," LaPerruque testified. He stopped in the beginning of ۲۰۰۸. Work began in August of ۲۰۰۷, got paid in September and didn't get paid anymore until ۲۰۰۸. LaPerruque spoke with MJ. "He said he was very embarrassed not being able to pay me, he said he was going to make it right, apologized." This was in November ۲۰۰۷. He still didn't get paid. MJ then moved to Las Vegas. He spoke with Raymone Bain, who said MJ had moved. He never heard from anyone about working again. LaPerruque said he tried calling MJ several times about getting paid but never heard back. LaPerruque retained an attorney to speak with MJ's reps to enforce agreement they had. They settled. "I was mad, but not mad at him," LaPerruque said. "Because of what I heard why we stopped working together." (financial reasons). LaPerruque said he never thought of selling his story to the tabloids. LaPerruque said he saw MJ about ۲ weeks prior to his death. He was working for Janet, she threw a party for their parents at a restaurant. LaPerruque: MJ saw me and said Mike! Came running to me, gave me a big hug. He asked if they could talk, I took him to a private room. LaPerruque said MJ seemed happy to be there at the party. He was not incoherent or had slurred speech. LaPerruque: I did ask 'Mike, you're looking skinnier than I've ever seen you. You need to get meet in your bones.' He laughed. LaPerruque said MJ told him he was rehearsing a lot, thus the weight. He said MJ seemed excited about going to London. Putnam: Were you surprised he passed? LaPerruque: Yes "It just caught me off guard," LaPerruque explained. Putnam asked if there was anything LaPerruque thought he could've seen at the meeting two weeks prior but didn't. He answered no. La Perruque stopped working for Jackson in ۲۰۰۴, but returned to oversee his security in late ۲۰۰۷. He said he didn't see any signs that Jackson was impaired during the few months he worked for him again. He testified he last saw Jackson two weeks before the singer's death and he looked fine, but he noticed that his former boss was skinnier than usual. (AP) (Outside the presence of the jury, LaPerruque approached Ms. Jackson, hugged her and cried. They had a conversation, she handed him a tissue.) Jackson cross Jacksons' attorney, Deborah Chang, did the cross examination of LaPerruque following the afternoon break. LaPerruque worked for the LA Sheriff Department for ۲۲ years. He said MJ being a high profile, would not be able to go out in public. "Wherever we would go, there would be fans there," LaPerruque testified. He said fans wanted to meet MJ, take pictures. LaPerruque: There was always a concern of kidnapping him or his children to hold for ransom. LaPerruque explained he not only try to protect the client from outside sources, but from embarrassing himself. LaPerruque said MJ had thousands of fans everywhere in the world. Chang showed a picture of LaPerruque helping MJ with a left foot casted. Total time LaPerruque worked for MJ was ۳ years. The only time he saw MJ under influence of drugs in ۲۰۰۱-۲۰۰۴. About the Documentary "Living with Michael Jackson" by Martin Bashir. LaPerruque was present, thought MJ trusted Bashir Chang: Was he devastated for what he believed to be violation of that trust? LaPerruque: Very devastated! LaPerruque said MJ was in pain after the release of the documentary. Chang wanted to play a snippet of the documentary, but changed her mind. Chang: You know what, because he (AEG attorney) was threatening to show other parts of it, I'll withdraw my request. Chang: Did you believe the Arvizo charges to be false? LaPerruque: Correct. "I came out in full support of him," LaPerruque recalled. LaPerruque asked how MJ reacted in regards to the accusations, when all he wanted to do was to take care of children. LaPerruque: Yes, it devastated him. Chang: Was he emotionally and physically wrecked in pain? LP: Yes C: Have you seen him cry? LP: Yes LaPerruque said he knew MJ had vitiligo and needed treatment. He said MJ complained of back pain. Chang asked if most of the times LaPerruque heard MJ slur his voice on the phone was during the night. He said yes. Chang: Could he have taken a sedative such as sleeping pill, or Xanax pill? LaPerruque: It's a possibility Chang: Drink wine or vodka? LaPerruque: It's a possibility C: Or combination of drinking and sedatives? LP: Yes LaPerruque never saw any prescription drug in MJ's room, never saw him hooked up to IV lines. He only saw MJ drink wine once in a plane. LaPerruque said he always had full access to MJ's room, had keys to his hotel room. The security head said he would not be able to say MJ was addicted to Demerol or painkillers. He knows MJ wanted to be clear and was motivated in the worse way. Chang: And you believed him? LaPerruque: I did LaPerruque said the majority of time he traveled with MJ he wasn't under the influence. Chang asked if LaPerruque saw MJ doing anything that could put the kids at risk, if he would've called Child Services. He said absolutely. Chang: Were you very proud of working for MJ? LaPerruque: I was LaPerruque received phone calls from President Clinton, Elizabeth Taylor, Gregory Peck, Marlon Brando, world leaders looking for MJ. Chang showed video of Liz Taylor presenting Michael Jackson. LaPerruque said MJ's fans were deafening, nothing like he had ever seen before. Chang: How would you describe MJ that night? LaPerruque: He was fantastic Shows were on Sept ۷ and Sept ۱۰, ۲۰۰۱, day before ۹/۱۱. "I never experienced anything like this," LaPerruque testified. Chang showed video of music "What More Can I Give" with several high profile artists singing it, like Celine Dion, Beyonce, Gloria Estefan Chang: Did MJ write that song in benefit of ۹/۱۱ victims? LaPerruque: Yes MJ received the ۲۰۰۲ American Music Award Artist of the Century. Chang showed the video of the announcement. LaPerruque said MJ was very down to earth, never bragged about all the awards he received.